Charting Human Paths in Space and Astrology with Jurate Wolfe

Hey guys, and welcome back to another episode of The Bottom Left Pane. Today we have Jurate here. Uh, yeah, go ahead and tell us a little bit about yourself, what you do and, you know, how you kind of exist in the universe.

I do so many things. So, um, I call myself a people on system scientist, and that's, I think, defines me the best, uh, because I.

Everything I do, it evolves around humans. Ever since I remember myself, um, ever since really, little girl, I was always very interested in everything that has to do with humans. I didn't realize at that point, uh, yet, of course, but I just, uh, I just was led by curiosity. I was really, really blessed to have mom.

And parents in general who were really forgiving and allowing me to do that. So, um, so there was not really, Oh, you have to be that, or that's a good profession on others, or, you know, whatever. They had their opinions, but they never really pushed it. Um, so, um, so I always, uh, always sought out things and I was really, really.

Curious as a child as well. I was really studious. Um, so I was going through libraries. I was going to different schools. I was putting myself through the programs and, um, you know, literally because I was looking for more and, uh, everything was united. It's, it's literally, I was interested in physics. I was interested in mathematics.

I was interested in general, um, no biologists as a whole to not on, you know, you know, I was interested in chemistry, but only organic. And, uh, everything that led me, of course, psychology, but psychology, I grew up in Lithuania. So, um, I got here when I was 19 on my own, like everything else. Again, you know, thanks to my parents for being so, um, so, you know, allowing and letting me do the things that I did.

On my own and, uh, you know, not theory for me, although I haven't really given much choice to, but

But that's sort of in my S3 DNA and we'll talk I guess about that. Um, so Yeah, so everything physics, quantum physics was extremely interesting to me Physics in general, but for me, the general Newtonian physics really bored me. Um, it was really easy. It was really bored me. And a lot of people, when I was in the high school thought, I mean, I'm going to be physicists because I was really, I took an electional exam of the, you know, a national electional exam in physics.

And I just love physics and I still continue to, to love it. But, um, you know, in hindsight, when I look back, it's, it's always the same. It's always the same. It's always energy. It's always, uh, human. It's always. What makes us tick, how do we function, human psyche, all of that. And psychology, I started to study it when I was in high school.

It was an election at that point. Um, it was very new Lithuanian. And so it was one of the first new cohorts to study psychology. So it was very difficult to get in. So that's how I got, that's who I am. And what I do right now, I do many, many things. So everything was connected to human. I do that. And, um. I work at Kennedy Space Center as Senior Human Factors Analyst and, uh, yeah, I have my own business, uh, Empirical Mystic, where I, um, I coach, uh, people to flow and alignment with their own potential and what they brought in here and, uh, and also research alternative, um, healing modalities, which has to do a lot also with energy and, and, uh, all of that, bringing scientific methods essentially to, um, alternative modalities.

Yeah, well first, wow, you know, that's, that's super diverse. You have all this like. It sounds like you're just a powerhouse when it comes to science, right? Um, but yeah, so I kind of want to jump into a little bit about your role, right? So can you tell us a little bit about your role working on, you know, uh, different projects at the Kennedy Space Center and, you know, what inspired you to enter in the field that you're in?

So, um, so that might surprise you. Um, I actually never dreamed of working for Kennedy Space Center. It's sort of, uh, I got, I got, uh, I got there by invitation. Okay. I got there by invitation. So, uh, someone that I helped, uh, while I was working in energy sector, I was working for Siemens Energy as, uh, as a global, in a global area at a time finishing my PhD in human factors.

So, um, and, uh, someone that I helped out, uh, with working in Kennedy, um, regarding human aspect said, we definitely need you here. And, uh, and. They invited me to interview and I got several panels of interview and I got in and that's it. And that's in 2018. So, um, my dad, however, he wanted to be a cosal Russian cosal because of course, where I, Lithuania, he grew up in new, he was a start time, so he couldn't do that.

He's a, he's an engineer actually, and my mom as well. But, uh, they're different engineers, , not, not the, not, not the, not the space. And so he wasn't able to do that because of health. He wasn't even able to go to the competitions and do that because of his heart condition that he was born with. So, um, but it wasn't like a thing in our family that we would talk about space all the time or, you know, none of those conversations were even present.

So I just knew it. Um, so somehow, um, like, recently acknowledged that I was like, well, dad, I somehow, um, you know, working I worked on the largest rocket, you know, in the history of humankind, you know, we're largely essentially developed that rocket. Right. So it's in a way, subconsciously, I somehow universe led me to fulfill that.

And so my dad is very, very, um, excited. Of course, we have a lot of conversations about that, but, um, yeah, just, uh, Just, so that's how, so how this happened. I always in everything in my life, do the guidance and, uh, I follow my passion and that's my biggest advice and one advice to everybody and every single person to follow what you're passionate about, to go after what you're passionate, you're curious because that's really, that's really what you're here for.

You really need to enjoy and chew what you love and, you know, if you're passionate about, um, going and talking to people, um, I don't know, about water, you go and talk about water, you're going to talk about, um, you know, about politics, you go and talk about politics, you know, whatever it is that you're passionate about, that's where, that's where you're here, you know, sometimes people get so humble.

Confused, um, by the parents, by their society, by what they're going to make money when they're not going to make money, um, you know, that, that they get lost and they forget what they really are passionate about. So, you know, so it's really, really good to look into what, what you would do if you wouldn't have to worry about the pain, you know, what would you do and then go and combine that or at least start it, start and look into it, like, uh, like from the hobby perspective and usually you can combine it.

First

off, thanks for that message. I think, yeah, a hundred percent, you're right about like, just making sure you're following your passions. Cause regardless, like, I feel like you're almost doing the world and yourself a disservice, right. By not taking the steps there because yeah, I mean, there's only going to be just one you.

And I feel like. You know, ideas that come in passions, like what's, what's that book called? Um, is it the creative act? I think by Rick Rubin, not too sure, but there's this whole idea in the book that like ideas, they they're universal, right? Like regardless, like when the idea is coming to fruition, that.

Essentially, like it's, it's, it's the ideas time to, to blossom, right? Regardless, if you don't do it, someone's going to do it. So at that point you might as well kind of jump on it. Right. Um, but yeah, I kind of want to jump back a little bit, you know, so you ended up here, uh, you know, working as an analyst and did you have any role models or like influential figures who inspired you kind of on this journey?

Or did you feel like this was all you just full on full speed ahead? Maybe you were your own hero.

No, I am not my own hero. I am led by universe. I'm really led by universe. I, a lot of people, uh, life and death inspired me. A lot. Um, I am living on quotes. I'm living on biographies. I love, absolutely love people who are, who live their life.

Um, there's like a, like a, I always say like love of my, who is love of my life is Einstein. He's the love of my life. Nobody will beat him because he's dead. Nobody even tries, right? So, um, so that's it. Nobody will replace him. So, um, Einstein is absolutely, I love Einstein. And, um, so, you know, so literally there was a lot of people, but so I'm not going to mention all of them that, you know, some, there's always everyone can learn something from.

That's, that's how I, I would go with meeting people as well. You can always learn from everybody. So, especially when they're very, very successful people out there. So from the space people, I definitely love, uh, I like really, really like Richard Branson, he's my favorite space guy. Um, and why I like him.

It's because he's, he's very genuine. He's playful. He's curious. He's led by passions. He loves people. I love him for that. And he does great things. He does absolutely great things. And all he did is accomplished by himself. So this is a live person. Einstein, I love for his curiosity, for his mind. He's so smart.

And that's a big deal for me. Of course, everybody knows that, but he, he was also quirky. He was also quirky, and all these people who achieve a lot, they're unique. Um, it's, you know, everybody's unique. From the female is Marie Curie. Um, actually, Marie Curie. So he, uh, she got, um, two Nobel Prizes, right? And she was the first female to get Nobel to begin with.

And, um, she, um, she experimented, uh, You know, I, I've realized that recently that she did experiments on herself, right? And she literally radiated herself. Um, it's a really, really good documentary that definitely recommend to watch. Sorry, what was it called? Marie Cree, Dr. Marie Cree.

Right. What's the, uh, the documentary called?

Oh, I don't remember. Um, I forgot the, I forgot the, but it's about mere life, her life, right? Right. I think it's called Radioactive. Radioactive. I think that's how it's called. Mm-Hmm. . Because she essentially invent, uh, find out or invented rather. She didn't really invent, she discovered uranium. Okay. And, uh, started to use for, for radiation for essentially So saved a lot of lives.

Um, and, uh, you know, her. She literally discovered it, that metal didn't exist before her. And, uh, she did that in her own life. Like, she, she didn't think, obviously, it's a poisonous material. She thought it's, uh, it's something else. So, uh, she radiated it herself, uh, to death in the process. But, um, you know, so, but it's really, really unique.

And her relationship with her husband, and she's, like, also a very unique personality. And I really like her as well, very, very much. Um, so the documentary is new. I think it's last year came out or so. Um, it's really, it's really good, um, really good. I definitely recommend it. Einstein documentary is also really great, but, um, but if you really want to know about him, read his biography.

That's, uh, that's, uh, that's a good one. He's, uh, he, he was, uh, yeah. A unique human being, like nobody is perfect and none of the scientists are perfect. So there was always something to learn, you know, you're a great scientist, but they might not be great dads, great moms or whatever else, you know, maybe not the greatest relationship examples, right?

So there's always people who inspire in different fields. So, and Dr. Yang, Dr. Carl Yang, he's a psychologist. He was actually a psychologist. He was, um, but for young, you know, so he, he's really one of the biggest ones. So some from psychologists, it was him. And, uh, he's actually was astrologer and, uh, and, uh, mystic as well.

And, uh, and he also analyzed dreams and great in psychoanalysis. And he was just one of the biggest ones out there in this time.

Yeah, no, I mean, I can see. First off, you know, I talked about how you were a powerhouse. I can see where that comes from with all the inspiration behind all these big figures, right?

Um, you know, so as a human factors analyst, you know, could you share your contributions to some of the projects and explain like kind of how your work has impacted, um, some of the stuff going on at the Kennedy Space Center?

Yes. So at Kennedy Space Center, since everything is, uh, made from scratch, essentially, it's You know, there's no factory for rockets.

Uh, we, we do, we do, we do everything from scratch and everything is designed. So, uh, without, without telling, um, more than I'm supposed to tell, uh, generally, I'm not alone. Of course, there was a whole team of human factors people there. And, um, you know, some, you know, not alone who is doing human factors. Um, and we do have areas where we're specializing in, uh.

You know, for specific, because it's, believe it or not, you know, there was a lot, a lot of comes into building a rocket and several years and, and not just building it and empowering it and making sure it's, uh, it goes and then getting back and, you know, clearing up and a lot of things. Right. So, um, everywhere there's humans, humans are involved in everything.

So, um, so that's where my, my expertise comes. I started, I'm there since 2018. And, uh, so the rocket has not. Does not even stack. The first one wasn't. It's that. So, and of course, we already, um, we're ready to go back the first one and clear that we're ready for the once we human right now for to go. Right?

So, so we're working on missions forward. Um, NASA doesn't just work on one mission. We're already working on, uh, or at least 1 and 2 and 3, uh, which is Mars. Right? So, um, So all these missions have a lot to do with humans, not just because humans are on the board. That's a whole other level of scrutiny, and of course a lot more human factors are involved as well.

But a lot of human factors are involved also before that, since, um, we're also putting a lot of preparing. You know, the, the, the capsule and the way we had our mannequins, and this is public information, of course, so we had our mannequins that they're really a bit of a lot of centuries and all kinds of information got back to us after the first, what is called this plate, but they went around the moon, right?

So we got a lot of information and, uh, and that was informing what we're doing right now, uh, preparing and, uh, of course, we were. We're well prepared before, but we're also testing, making sure and, uh, yeah, so human factors involved. We're working interdisciplinary teams. So there's all kinds of engineers and, uh, meaning, uh, electrical, aerodynamic, chemical, um, you know, mechanical, uh, aerospace, even one factor, safety, environmental, all these specialties, right?

Fluids, you know, cause we have a lot of, uh, you know, toxic and explosives, right? All the time. And, uh, in every single section until working together. And, uh, my responsibility is to look at the human aspects of the whole, uh, process or whatever that's. It could be a small as a small shoppy. That's gonna help out like a tool that is custom made to help out in certain process, or it could be as big as, uh, as the whole, you know, preparing for, um, for contingency operation and making sure everything is staged in case something goes wrong and leak happens or something.

Wow. So it's. It's just all that.

it's never, it's never

boring. Yeah, no, it sounds like it's, it's insane to be honest. Um, yeah. So, I mean, you're kind of working on all these, all these cool projects, right? So, you know, you probably have some sort of like scientific achievements, right? Or like moments in your career that you're probably like super proud of, right?

What are these moments or achievements?

So, so you might be surprised, but actually, uh, I, I usually don't look back into what I've done. It's done. I celebrated, I'm done. So I don't collect trophies and I don't look for them. I live every day. So, um, it's an adventure. And you know, when you're like going on adventure every day, it's an adventure.

So you don't look back on what was in your adventure. You look, you experience the adventure as it happening. Right. So that's how I would like. There is one very proud moment, which is, I mean, there were several, there's many proud moments, right? But there was one that I could actually single out that really, um, made me, made me feel really.

Humbled and very, I wouldn't say like proud, but so humbled that I really didn't, didn't think in a million years that that, that is going to happen and that it was really led by many, many synchronicities and, uh, many people were involved who, who made it, you know, who made suggestions, recommendations and all that happened.

Right. So last year I, I actually spoken after the Artemis, a launch, um, Lithuanian national TV, um, wanted to, was looking for someone, if some Lithuanians were actually were watching, you know, watching the launch. And, uh, I didn't see that. Um, so someone told, um, told them that, look, there was someone who works there.

So actually I was, I appeared on Lithuanian national TV on the Christmas Eve. Last year, uh, talking about Artemis launch, the pictures and videos. And of course that was cleared of NASA. So that was such a proud moment of me. And it's really, really interesting that that actually happened. I recorded it or rather that was a gift because my dad's birthday is in December as well So I gave him that as a gift.

I was like that i'm gonna be on national tv talking in lithuanian about russian and so that was such a surprise for my dad and that was a big big big one for me because I realized that that tv channel This is a main channel Lithuania and um, when I saw him I didn't even know I didn't even know I was so humble that I didn't want to tell even anybody and I was like mom I'm gonna beat her but you know I don't know I don't know how to say it just just just keep it because I didn't want like all that because I don't know how I'm gonna react like I was just like oh my gosh and um And, uh, it was, it was really proud.

And the, one of the questions was there, uh, what would you recommend to the people? And I literally told them, I was like, follow your passions because, and that's where I'm really proud about, because that's my mission to make sure, well, not to make sure, I believe that if a person, if everybody follows their passions and they live their, what they believe, um, we would have peace.

We would have love, we would have life. We have great. Things in life, you know, it's it's when the people don't do that or they cannot do that. It's that's when that's when the hard things happen. So So long story short when when people start calling me and and you know my social media started I really just turned off but for two days because I Literally had to had to just be with myself because it was so much going on right and you know, and I And I, when I heard the commercial of little preview that happens, and I was like, this is a channel as a kid, I watched presidential elections.

This is a channel as a kid. I saw a Russian wall fall down and this was big for me. This was really big. And I was on it. You know, and not just on it. I was on it talking about something really important, right? And and it was really it was science program, but it was really really good Science program.

Thank you so much for sharing that. Yeah, honestly, I would uh, I mean, I don't speak Lithuanian but I would definitely love to uh To see something like that. That's just sounds, uh, you know, like such a big, a big, uh, achievement. Right. Um, so now let's kind of come back and talk a little bit about like your personal growth and just kind of, um, some insights that you might have.

Right. So throughout your career in human factor and analysis in your study of astrology and all of the diverse background that you have, you know, what surprising discoveries have you made about yourself, particularly regarding about like, you know, human abilities and limitations

about myself. Well, you know, since I'm studying humans, it's sort of myself as well, right? Right, yeah. Oh, surprising, surprising thing I discovered is that I would put myself to anything, like anything, to discover it. My curiosity could take me, like, like anywhere. Like, I completely blind, like I put blinders on.

Like, I just go. So, that's about me, I guess. When I discovered, I don't know if it was new or not. It's just, it's in my DNA as well. Um, I'm Aries Sun, so that has, um, if anybody knows astrology, so it's in my astral DNA. I'm Aries zero degrees at the very beginning, so very cardinal. I, nobody can say no. I'm just kidding.

No, I am, uh, I have other, other aspects that definitely, um, negotiation is there, but it is, it is really like, I'm not afraid. I'm not afraid to go through anything and experience anything. Sometimes a little bit more relentlessly than other people would, or would. And um, and it's not that I'm doing it just because I wanna some kind of fame or something.

I'm doing it for curiosity, I'm doing it for discovery, I'm doing it because I just cannot not do. It's really, it's really what drives me. Uh, now as a general, from my experience, what I've discovered, and, uh, and there's really without a shadow of a doubt at this point that everything and anything could be explained and manipulated with energy, everything.

That's, you know, it's, it's, it's. Our, you know, when we in alignment with our energetic DNA and energetic signature, the things that we brought into this life is that's when we're happiest and that's what separates happy and unhappy. Healthy and unhealthy, successful and not successful. It's that alignment with that energetic signature that we brought in and how we flow with it.

Yeah, I'm actually, um, so I, I do want to put a pin in that because I, I definitely want to learn more about like the alignment and everything. Um, but one question I also did have was, you know, you've worked on these like pretty significant missions and still kind of working on some of them, right? You know, are there any like aspirations for the future of like, you know, space exploration and anything that's going on with the Kennedy Space Center?

Yeah.

My aspirations as far as space exploration, um, I don't have personal aspirations because this is, this is sort of a community, right? Work. So, um, my aspirations is, it's to, uh, you know, I'm just. you know, making my aspirations for me to be the best at my, but whatever I do that I can. And I don't limit myself to just human aspects.

If I, you know, this is sort of like a mindset of mine, right? Like I always empower people to speak up. I always speak up. It's true me. So if I, you know, I've always being me and, um, everybody knows me who. Um, well, not everybody knows me, but I mean, everybody knows me who I truly am. I'm not different when I'm at Kennedy Space Center and when I'm working on my business.

Of course, I'm doing a very different things, right? Because I'm using different Uh, different abilities and different knowledge. And that's really, um, the reason because I do not really employ any of what I'm employing my business and my, my passion is really what I'm doing with my business, my empirical mystic and, uh, but Kennedy Space Center is a huge, um, it's very impactful and I'm really, really happy that humanity is going back to space and that commercial programs are coming up as well and that we're getting more and more people out there because.

There's one thing, uh, that we're really excited about, uh, I mean, it's not just discovery with the science that they bring back because a lot of people actually think that the money goes out into space, but it doesn't. What happens is, uh, that there is a lot of science that's being done in the space. And, uh, you know, and again, I don't even know about everything because a lot of, you know, of that is, it's, it's, it's a separate.

For you to know situation, but there is a lot of biology, a lot of discoveries that were brought back and inventions and technology happened because of the science is being done on ISS and that we're discovering from Thank you. From the space exploration, you know, uh, you know, missions. So, so that's, uh, I'm really excited about James Webb telescope.

I totally follow that, uh, you know, that's, uh, you know, discovery stars. I can't wait, uh, till we see more, till we can hear things, not only see. Cause I want to, I want to hear sounds of stars. Yeah. That'd be amazing. A vibration. Yeah. So because right now we can only see, and we see it really well right now compared to what we had with Hubble.

And these are amazing and just because we're receiving our sensory systems, right? We are receiving the energy of the sensory system system. So, so that's, it brings me back to the missions, the commercial, um, we're bringing more and more people and now we, more people can go and experience the space and look to earth from space.

Right. Yeah. And, um, When I was still back at PhD, actually, we did a, uh, there's such thing, it's called the overview effect. And the overview effect is a cognitive shift that happens in the mind of, of astronaut or someone, an astronaut at that point, right, um, that looks at Earth, uh, from space. Is that a moment that shifts?

And, uh, I had a, really a privilege to interact with many, many astronauts, uh, who flew. Commercial non commercial, you know, Russian aircrafts, I, I, you know, I had a privilege really, really honor and privilege to interact with them and speak to them. And you're such an amazing human beings. All of them has such an amazing sense of humor and they're so humble and they're so smart, but so humble and so simple and they have this.

This love that, you know, this energy, this, that generates, you can, you can feel it when you're in your presence and anybody could tell you, um, you can feel it. They have that, that vibration and that energy that, that acquired. So I actually really, really want to see a lot of big CEOs, a lot of really rich people going flying to space so they can actually bring back and bring, you know, bring back that shift so they can actually create something more tangible.

That's so interesting. Good. Like, so I kind of want to stick to that for a second. Right. Like, I'm curious to know a little bit more about, like, did you know, you know what some of these astronauts were like before the, you said it was the overview, um, yeah,

there's a lot of scientists, scientific, um, you know, research papers on it and it's a psychological, um, essentially it's documented.

That happens. It's, uh, you know, we have done a little bit, we actually simulated, um, even simulation, it could see, um, with EEGs, you know, and, um, and there was, there was such thing. So, yeah, so it's not before it's, uh, you know, it's, it's, well, like from before to the after of the experience of, of seeing the, our earth from the space, you know, from there, there was, there was something that shifts.

Got it. Okay. Yeah, no, that just seems really interesting. Like, yeah, I'm going to have to definitely look into it up about it. But, um, yeah, so I kind of want to jump into what it was like being a woman in STEM, right? Especially within the space sector. Can you share the challenges you might have faced?

So, um, this is a, this is really like, um, I have a funny story.

So before Kennedy space center, I worked at the, um, there's humans in our gym and generally work in energy sector. And, um, and as I worked there at the same time, I was actually invited to speak at the American nuclear society. meeting. So, yeah, so I spoke at Western Washington DC and, uh, at a time I was married and, uh, so with her, my husband and, um, it was 15 years ago, literally 10 years ago, 2012.

Um, And, and they, it was, so they had, uh, there, there was 75th, um, uh, 75th, uh, annual, uh, meeting in Washington. So in Washington, D. C., they had a big gala, um, and of course, everybody, you know, especially, you know, people who speak were, were there, right? So, uh, as I was there with, uh, with my husband. And, uh, it will come in and I'm, I'm pretty social and very, you know, I meet people very easily.

I don't have issues. You know, I, I, I, I'm really curious again, you know, like that's the way I meet people. I'm really curious. So I have no, I meet people generally easy and there was a such, there was constant situation that even at one point my, like, like I come in, it was, it was, of course, it was, uh, it was men and females.

It was couples, you know, a lot of, um, very accomplished, uh, you know, scientists from all over, uh, all over the United States. And, uh, you know, a lot of, a lot of scientists were there and, and, um, so we were talking and, um, well, as we come in, everybody, like everybody, uh, would, would think that, um, they start to talk to my Uh, to my husband thinking that he's the one.

Oh wow. Some people. I was like, so what do you do? I was like, that's her. So at one point he was like, look.

Like immediately. Yeah. Just like, oh, she's the one you wanna talk to now

look over there. Husband is like tall and I'm just standing shorter. You know, my be is six is six five, you know? And uh, and uh, yeah, it was like, oh, it actually her

in-Law, you know? So, um, yeah, so it was so funny. I was cracking up because, because literally even females and males. You know, and of course, after that, that we had some conversation, you know, everything is like, but, uh, but yes, it was, it was nonstop for, you know, every, every single new person, unless the person comes in there and they already know that I'm talking when they realize it, right.

If there's a circle, um, but yes, so that was the, that was like one of the funny ones. So, so that's my experience. I really, I really didn't have a harsh experience at all. Um, I had, I've been blessed to really, really good bosses, amazing bosses when most of them were male. But most of them, uh, were male and, but they, they really treated, they really didn't have a bias and, um, they, they really treated everyone as, um, you know, what, you know, it's not about what gender you are.

So, you know, so I really had a great experience. And at the same time, I really don't have a mindset because when I grew up. And, uh, you guys are from Lithuania, right? USSR portion and then Lithuania. Actually, Lithuanian women are amazing in math and science and STEM. So it was actually opposite.

So, yeah. So I had, I, when I came here, I was like, what are you talking about? Man, I'm better. I was like, what are you talking about? And in reality, psychologically, there is no difference, really. Right. Yeah. You know, that's what I mean. I was like, no, it's backwards. What are you talking about? You know, and uh, Those are statistics that were there, you know, but, um, so yeah, so I don't have that, I don't have personally that bias.

I don't expect that. And, but I don't think it exists anymore. It Kennedy, it's really, it's really, we have a lot of females have very diverse, uh, like general workforce is extremely diverse and, uh, there was, there is zero. There's your, there's actually a lot of, uh, leadership, um, and female leadership a lot, even though we're, um, flight, uh, control director is a female.

I mean, we are, we're. Director center director is female to a lot of females, but managers, right? It's female as well.

That's so interesting. Yeah, like, um, you know, first, like, you know, I appreciate the perspective because, you know, I guess there's that kind of like that stigma there, right? Like, that generally people think like, oh, it is.

It is a male dominated field. Um, yeah, it's so interesting to hear this other in the

global. In a global, um, uh, arena, it's, it's, it, it is because at, um, but I, I also taught cross cultural psychology and, uh, and, uh, prejudice stuff, uh, back in when I was at UCF, when I was here in Central Florida here when I was still a PhD year.

So, so, um, I'm very much for diversity and, uh, you know, all these things, but there is biases that actually grow usually from the, they stem from the culture. So there is, uh, where I worked in when I worked at Siemens and I worked in global sectors. So. In cement energy, global sector. So we actually oversaw all the, all the regions, including UUIE, middle East, Mm-Hmm, and Asia.

And so those countries, actually, they still had a huge bias. So I, when I, when I, I delivered something scientific, some, some models, something that I needed to, to deliver, um, uh, usually I said, you know, if there was someone at, if it needs to be presented, it's better if it's delivered by mail because it's gonna be received better.

So I actually gave that advice as. You know, it's like, look, I can provide this information and, uh, you know, but, but it's better if you can deliver it by a mail person, just because it's better received. It's just the way it is. So you want to work with that essentially, but, um, yeah. And, uh, and a lot of times because my name is so unique, um, And we don't miss or misses at the time, at least, um, when the email comes through, usually people will call it mister.

And I was like, I don't care if you call him mister.

My message gets through, I'm good.

Well, I'm glad that, you know, like, again, like there isn't this, uh. There wasn't these challenges that you had to face, right? Um,

I had a lot of funny, like, a lot of funny experiences like that. Like, there was actually a manager of Middle East, uh, region. Um, he would call me Mr.

Mr. Mr. When we had actually a national meeting, so all the regional managers and we organized the training. He came in and he saw me and was like, I'm sorry, I was like a spy.

So let's go ahead and shift a little bit, right? I kind of want to now jump into more of the, uh, like the intersection of, you know, of the science and astrology, right?

And kind of blending that and, and the alternative healing. So, you know, how does your background in human behavior and psychology enhance, you know, your personal interest in astrology? And in what ways do you integrate this knowledge with the alternative healing modalities? Um, that you practice in your business, you know, uh, with empirical, empirical mystic.

So everything is, is very, very, um, dependent on, uh, like, well, this is one factors. Technology and the tool is only as good as the user. It's the truth across the board. This is actually a human factor. That's why human factors exist. So, um, so the astrology or astro astrological, you know, analysis, whatever you want to call it, um, it's actually very, very intricate and there's a lot of information on there, but it's only as good as a user.

If you don't know how to interpret it, if you're going to be biased, um, and it's always going to be, when someone is interpreting anything, there's always going to be a certain amount of bias on the person. So it's very important to be very impartial, to let use that. And that's where scientific portion of my mind, I guess, comes in.

I'd really live between the two, or rather in both areas. Um, I can Put myself more into logic and I can turn myself more. I can, I can use both sides of my brain. I have not, neither war. Um, if you know where it's not more comfortable, um, it depends, uh, more comfortable usually on in analytical. If I do science, I cannot work to at the same time, but I also going to be very creative when I'm actually designing the model or doing the research and I, by knowing and understanding how these modalities work, um, and experiencing, um, Them myself and using them everywhere and really observing and all of that.

I'm actually better at researching them because it's a lot of research out there that, um, you have a researcher who knows how to test the model and how to do the science portion, but they induce a lot of error just because they don't know that. Um, Uh, that the energy of the, of the facilitator, it actually influences, for example, or, you know, some other things and aspects that you would only know if you actually experienced and know and use, uh, the monologues and you're emerging it, but that's not the only reason I really know, I don't just believe I know that these things work because, and that's part of my discovery and discovery through myself, through experiences to what I see, to what I read and, uh, and everything is really interconnected heavily.

So I use all of them. Yeah. In, in my coaching, in my, um, flow coaching and all of that for me, um, Astro, DNA, what I call it an astro. I do as astrological assessment as well as, as well as human design, which is also based on your, on, on the, on that, it's a little different system, but it's extremely well, uh, design system as well.

I use very as a basic, as a background. Mm-hmm, for any coaching I do. Um, because that actually cuts the time and makes accuracy so much more profound. Now, it is not predictive, so I'm not gonna, uh, you know, these things will give you, uh, that will give you what you brought here and what, but these are give you only the potentials we have for you well, so we are allowed to choose and when I meet a person, they're adults, so you have many, many choices already that have been made.

Right? So, where they are in that spectrum of the choice, it could vary. I cannot say, well, you were here, or you were here, or you were here. I can tell you at that time, you had certain experiences that was very impactful and they shifted your life. I can tell you that. Because that is an energy that shows up.

Um, I can, I can see, uh, what the, what the talents are, uh, what people are need to work on, what they're, um, what they brought in into this world as, as their, their gifts and the natural to them. Um, I can tell, um, you know, what they need to expand on and what their mission is. And, uh, all these things are extremely important, uh, when people are confused and, you know, that, that helps them streamline what, uh, you know, what they need to do.

And, uh, and then, you know, I gave them like, and then work together because in coaching, you never, you never tell people what to do, you always work with them. And this ultimately the person's choice. So what I'm here is to guide and that's what I, that's what I do with that. And, uh, in the research I use energy, um, um, you know, again, I've seen so many patterns, um, in the, in the certain signatures of, of people.

Personal, astroDNA, and modalities that they work or don't work for them. And I test specifically that right now. Because, uh, originally, you know, so, so, providing specificity, because, for example, there's sound healing, right? Not all sound healing is good for everybody. Breathe it in breath healing. Not all breaths are good for everybody, you know, if you have too much fire in your, in your chart, like I do, fire breath won't be good for you.

It's going to put you overboard, you know, just, just, just as natural, right? It would be logical, right? But people don't think about it and they just go for it. And that's why, that's why there was such a confusion in that, in that area because people just go and delve and deepen and they say, well, but they either get hurt or it's think they don't work, it doesn't work for them or whatever else, right?

But, um, these are extremely powerful modalities. And again, also very understanding and knowing of how those modalities work together is also very important. But you can't really know that as well until you know each modality individually. So I work with many

healers. Is there anything else that you can kind of tell me about just like, you know, how, how this all kind of works?

Right. Especially to given someone like, you know, I, I've heard about like my big three and stuff. Right. Like I, my son's a Sagittarius, my rising is Scorpio and then my moon is a Libra. Right. So like, how, how, how can anybody take like that at it's like. Purist form and learn anything about like astrology from from that.

Okay, so these are these three things that you mentioned they are big three. Um, so it's a big, just one, you know, just, just a, just a little dip into it, right? Because every single, um, like, uh, the chart is complex. If you would look at astrologer's chart, you would say, Oh my gosh, I don't even know what the heck is in it.

Right? Um, I heard that all the time. So, so yes. Um, and I said even, I know, I know it even right now, medical astrology. So there is a very, very precise space astrology, all kinds of things. So every single, um, Planet has a specific angle to another planet, specific location, all of that, right? So, so you can tell a lot of things.

That's why it's usually for astrology, you need specifics. Now, these three things that you mentioned, they pretty much give you a little bit general idea of who you are. So sun sign, it's, it's who you really truly are in your core. Is, is that who you are? And people who know you, close to you, people know you as your sun sign because they, they have seen your core and your soul, essentially, right?

Because you opened up. Now, if you're a Scorpio rising, you're not so easy to open up, but Interesting. Because that's what, that's what the, that's what persona is. That's what you project to your world. And that's really usually actually how you look like as well. It's your external attributes, your body, because that's also a rule to your first house, which is your body.

Um, first house, because there are 12 houses and different, those are different areas of, of, of your life and how you develop essentially. So, uh, now it's also very important that, that. Sometimes there is, yeah, there is ascendant, but if there is planets in that house or close to the ascendant, those we shade somehow and give the flavor to that ascendant.

So, um, you know, if you, if you would have like, um, I don't know, like, um, mercury or you, like if you have mer, if you are, for example, if you are Scorpio, but if you have Uranus in the first house, that actually would shade your personality heavily. And Uranus is. It's very like, innovative, very unique, so it would give so much different flavor, like, more like, electric flavor, like, um, Each planet carries energetic signature, not like, good, bad, you know, kind of thing.

There's some astrologers out there talk about it, and I, I totally shun from them because it's absolutely nonsense. Um, there is no good or bad energy, there is only, um, a spectrum. So where you flow between that energy is really your free will. And yes, there is a harder aspects, which are essentially harder to deal with, but it's not like aspects to each energies or harder or harsher per se, right?

They're stronger or there was a lighter and they're just different signatures. They are different signatures. Like you would have a lemon flavor versus you would have a ketchup. I don't know. Just give me like, these are different flavors, right? So it's the same goes with signatures and each of them has, um, Uh, has certain, um, attributes.

So, so, um, so as a, as, as a sentence sign, um, if you're Scorpio, maybe I'm surprised you want to be on podcast, but probably a Mercury somewhere in the Libra. Um, so, uh, mercury is the, the language and the talk and the mind. Mm. Okay. Um, mm-Hmm. . So, uh, . So I would have to look into that. There's probably some connection there, but, uh, that, but the, but the drive, uh, behind your podcast, actually, it makes a whole lot sense because you're curious and you're curious about things.

What makes these people drive and that's totally, that's totally a psychologist rule by, um, uh, by Scorpion. Astrology, so we still, um, so, uh, well, not astrology, the, the researches, so, um, so it's the totally, uh, definitely you now, um, moon is how we feel. So what do we need to feel, you know, feel good, essentially feel safe.

Um, so it's our feelings. So if you've heard anyone say we live by the, by the sun, we feel by the moon. Is that's where it comes from. Okay.

very short, very short intro into it. Yeah, you

definitely have, uh, like piqued my interest. Like I'm, I'm curious to learn more, more about it. Right. Um, especially too, about the, uh, like the houses and the ascendants and stuff like that.

Um, cause that, that, that still just seems pretty interesting to me that like, you can still like pick out pieces of people's personalities just by, by looking at this. Right. Um, so I kind of want to jump into a little bit of like. Yo, your, your personal interests and like hobbies. Right. So you sound like you have a lot, right.

Given your diverse background and everything. So, you know, I kind of want to see if you could tell us a little bit about like, you know, some of those personal interests or hobbies outside of, you know, your professional life from, uh, you know, whether it be your own business and also to, uh, from the Kennedy space center.

So, uh, okay. So this question, this question is, I don't know how to separate that. What is a personal, what is not personal? Tell me about it. Okay. No. Um, so, uh, besides what I already mentioned, I also dance ballroom. Okay. And so that, that's just one thing that I absolutely love and I am Martian Pisces, so that has to do with that, right?

Martian Pisces, Pisces is creative and Mars is energy. So, um, so it's really, I love to dance regardless. I just. Dance. Right. But, uh, but it dance boring. And I danced when I was little and I, I, I dance right now. Um, I don't compete right now, but, uh, because I have a, I have very different priorities. Mm-Hmm.

But, uh, but I do dance whenever I have a chance. I dance. And, uh, I have, uh, also my son. So there's a lot of, uh, my other activities that surround around. My eight year old, um, so it is karate, it is basketball and a lot of that stuff, which I also love, actually, basketball is Lithuanian, um, religion, second religion, and he's born with some genes, so he's, I love that, and, uh, karate, I love martial arts as well, which also has to do with Pisces, with, uh, Martian Pisces.

I love martial arts, I also practice myself, but I don't, I don't practice, like, um, actual martial arts, I actually do cardio, um, cardio kind of. Okay. But it's energy movement, it all has to do, all martial arts has to do with energy, has to do with your confidence, has to do how you do your body, because You know, if you have a stick, which they use, it's called Bostaf, right?

In your hands, a stick is just a stick, but if you know how to use it, that's a different story, right? Right, right. I do archery as well. Oh, nice. I like medieval things. Um, I do archery, uh, traditional. Um, I have, uh, traditional bow. Um, not, not compounding, not automated. I think it's too easy. Anybody could do that.

So it has to do again, the same thing is called Zen up archery. Um, it's, it has to do with your alignment for your own body in your own energy field. And that's how you. you actually develop the, um, the strategy. It's all about, about that. If you're out of alignment, there is no strategy to help you. It's just the truth.

I experienced that many times. Um, you know, and, and if you are aligned, you can shoot moving target and you're going to nail it. Oh, wow. Um, it's just how it is. So, um, so all of those martial arts I love for that reason. So those are other things that I love. Um, you know, but, but really anything that has to, to do.

Just, just what we, what we spoke already, there is a, there is a, you might've heard, like you said, have, uh, you should have three hobbies, like one, one to keep you fit, or healthy, you know, and another one keep making money and third one keep you creative. Right. So I don't really don't corporationalize them.

A lot of them actually fit in all three of them for me. And, uh, but if you can find, you know, you, you know, you really, everybody should have that. If, if they don't, you know, then, then you're missing out, you know, and usually those are usually covering more than one for most people too.

Yeah, no, I, I love that.

Like, I think you're a hundred percent right. I forget where I learned that. I might've been like on a podcast or something, but yeah, I totally agree. Like for me, it was always like, uh, yeah, my creative and physical was dancing always for the most part. Um, and then for like financial and also creativity.

Um, was learning how to program and just, you know, being able to create anything to do with tech. Um, but yeah, the last, last question I want to jump into for you today is, uh, you know, and for any advice, right? So what advice would you give to young people, you know, especially, you know, women that want to jump into the, like the STEM field, right?

Like, what, what advice would you give them about, you know, pursuing the passion and just going for it or as any advice you can give them?

Okay. Well, if the woman wants to go into STEM field, usually they'd go. They are actually not afraid. That's really the truth. I actually mentored the Girl Scouts recently and, um, I was invited to mentor it.

They had a convention there, uh, their convention at Orlando actually where I live. And, um, I was invited to mentor, be around with the mentors. So it was really awesome to see young girls and there was different ages out there and, uh, they're just passionate. They just want to go for it, go for it, go for it.

So I think it's, uh, it's, it's, It's already getting like out there, but, but generally, generally, and that's one advice for everybody. STEM field, not STEM field, doesn't really matter. Um, just to follow the passions, like whatever drives you, just follow that. And if you don't know, if you're so confused because your parents are pushing that and you think, Oh my God, what I'm going to do?

Because, you know, I love this. I don't know, whatever that is, some art, maybe, I don't know. I don't know what, what, what have been our prejudices. There's all kinds of prejudices. It really depends on the, on, on. On where the background is. I mean, the prejudices will never go away. Never go away. It's just the truth.

You know, as long, because people make meanings, people make stories, so whatever their story and background is, they create these prejudices in there. And, um, and really, there's no such thing. As being a bad profession or being a good profession, being, uh, this is what we're going to get you somewhere. And this one, I'm not going to get you anywhere that, that doesn't exist.

And I think it's, it's already been shown like recently, especially with a lot of people creating careers out of really strange, um, different, really, really strange things that people would never even thought about mixing together, you know, and, um, and, you know, and, and. And they make a lot of money and there is a niche and that's it.

So the core, the key is to really do what you love. Because when you only, if you, if you do what you love, you're going to be successful. And I think Steve Jobs says that actually. So, um, but whoever said that, I'm sure more than one person said that before, because it's true. Every single person, every single person who is, who did great things.

They follow their passions, their, whatever they're passionate about, whatever it drives them, whatever they're curious about, they follow that. And they went there and they really did that without, without caring what other people think. And if that makes them happy, that's success. That's really success because, um, if you out there said, okay, I'm going to work for Kennedy Space Center, but you're going to study something you hate, and you're going to hate studying it, then you're going to hate working it, because you're going to need to work it too.

So, you better don't do it then, just because, I don't know, somebody around you said that it's a really good place to be. But then, if you want to be like, look at me, like, I didn't think about working there, right, but I'm a psychologist. You know, and, uh, you know, if somebody back in Lithuania said, uh, psychology, Oh, you want to work at Kennedy Space Center?

You better don't study psychology. You should study physics or, or whatever else. I don't know. Um, I don't know. Mathematics. I mean, I could have studied physics too, but physics was too rigid at a time. There was no quantum physics, unfortunately, or was very little back in Lithuania. I didn't want that, that kind of physics.

So, um, so yeah, so I'm very happy with what I studied and, uh, and it led me to the place that Human Factors was not even there at the time. So, what, what you create is, you know, it's, it's what, you create your life. When, when you live a happy life. So, um, when you're passionate, they ask for you. Yeah,

honestly, thank you so much.

That was, that was lovely. Yeah. Um, so before I end the show, there's always one last question I like to ask people, it's just a random question I pulled from a deck of cards. Um, so my question for you is. Who is your favorite Hollywood villain or villainess and why?

Oh my god, I so don't know Hollywood. I failed that long time ago.

I didn't Oh my god, I was like in the bachelor. Somebody did a test. We had like, um On some kind of pop culture and I was like, I filled every single question. I don't know anything about that. Ask me something more important.

Well, I mean, do you have like a favorite villain, whether it's like a book or anything?

I'm thinking, uh, let's see villain, villain, villain. Um, hmm. I don't know. I'll say villain. Oh, okay. So, um, it would be, and I don't know if it's Hollywood, um, from, uh, from the Star Wars. Hmm. Okay. So the, the Darth Vader.

Oh, wow. Nice. Why is that?

Because, uh, that, that really, that really shows how, how choices determine life.

Hmm. So, and how it's really up to you who you want to be. He wasn't really born one, right? But he became one by choice. Just because he was seduced and fear was a culprit. So that's, that's really why I like that. It's not really us, him specifically, but what he represents and what the message comes from his life.

Yeah. Wow. Honestly, I wasn't expecting that answer, but I love that answer. Um, but yeah, I guess last question, um, you know, like where, where can people find you if they want to find you?

So you can find me. Um, Instagram, I have an empirical mystic empirical mystic. So, and it's my name in there as well. And, um, LinkedIn at this point, the website, uh, will be published soon.

It's under cover still is being, uh, populated with much information there. So, uh, but a lot of things that the research and some visuals that I do, I share it there. So it's empirical mystic or Euratia Wolf. J U R A T E, Wolf, then E. And you can connect also on LinkedIn. So those are two major platforms that I share currently on.

Well, Urata, thank you so much. I'll make sure to put that in the show notes, but it was a pleasure. Thank

you. Thanks for the opportunity.

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